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		<title>By: go holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>go holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ramon Haddox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramon Haddox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the truly amazing write-up. Together with the world cup coming round your are beginning to get significantly better discussions on sports all over the world. Keep it up please. The internet needs it.</description>
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		<dc:creator>need tranny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could read more and more hot posts like this one about transsexuals! Thank you a lot and post more!</description>
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		<title>By: Crossdressing Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crossdressing Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently reading it on my Blackberry and will scan it once I get home. I love your site and marketing strategy.</description>
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		<title>By: Lynnea Urania Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnea Urania Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Therapists with Masters degrees turn out to be wrong more than people admit.  That is why a second letter is required before surgery, preferably from a PhD Psychologist.  Some therapists, knowing the potential for failure ask the patient to seek the advice of a M.D. Psychiatrist in conjunction with therapy, especially when a decision might be made in the minimum 4 months time.  Others draw out the assessment process to a year or more.

Even with 2 letters, though, there are some who have regrets after surgery.  Usually those with regrets are those who took months instead of years in their transitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Therapists with Masters degrees turn out to be wrong more than people admit.  That is why a second letter is required before surgery, preferably from a PhD Psychologist.  Some therapists, knowing the potential for failure ask the patient to seek the advice of a M.D. Psychiatrist in conjunction with therapy, especially when a decision might be made in the minimum 4 months time.  Others draw out the assessment process to a year or more.</p>
<p>Even with 2 letters, though, there are some who have regrets after surgery.  Usually those with regrets are those who took months instead of years in their transitions.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnea Urania Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnea Urania Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Oberjuierge&#039;s ideas, it should be understood that a lot of transsexuals are less passable as women than Christine Daniels was, and so are a lot of women who were born female.  Looks and beauty aren&#039;t the issue behind a decision to transition.  One&#039;s identity is.  

In the case of Christine, she had a learning curve of her own, including getting used to the use of heels.  One doesn&#039;t gain full femininity overnight, though some do seem to &quot;pass&quot; well as transvestites.  Since Oberjuerge wrote this in 2007, the year of Mike/Christine&#039;s initial announcement, awkwardness is to be expected.  

One endocrinologist told me that he has many patients who try to fast-track transition and want him to make them women yesterday and that it&#039;s an unrealistic expectation.  I agree.  If one born female takes years of puberty to present fully as a woman, what can be expected of a middle-age transsexual?  Transition is typically a process of several years from the initial assessment by a mental health professional to surgery and legal reassignment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Oberjuierge&#8217;s ideas, it should be understood that a lot of transsexuals are less passable as women than Christine Daniels was, and so are a lot of women who were born female.  Looks and beauty aren&#8217;t the issue behind a decision to transition.  One&#8217;s identity is.  </p>
<p>In the case of Christine, she had a learning curve of her own, including getting used to the use of heels.  One doesn&#8217;t gain full femininity overnight, though some do seem to &#8220;pass&#8221; well as transvestites.  Since Oberjuerge wrote this in 2007, the year of Mike/Christine&#8217;s initial announcement, awkwardness is to be expected.  </p>
<p>One endocrinologist told me that he has many patients who try to fast-track transition and want him to make them women yesterday and that it&#8217;s an unrealistic expectation.  I agree.  If one born female takes years of puberty to present fully as a woman, what can be expected of a middle-age transsexual?  Transition is typically a process of several years from the initial assessment by a mental health professional to surgery and legal reassignment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnea Urania Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnea Urania Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, Christine Daniels went back to using the name Mike Penner earlier this year and did not have surgery.  He detransitioned quitely, apparently having decided that life as a female was not right for him.  Some transpeople do make a move in the direction of transition but then decide against it, and possibly take up the issue again later on.  If one decides against transition, it&#039;s best to do so before taking the final step of surgery.  Was this an issue of his suicide, if indeed it is confirmed that it was suicide at all?  I doubt we will ever know.  But suicide is high in this demographic with estimates in the adult population as high as 30% who attempt it and 50% among known youth.  

Mike Penner/Christine Daniels is being mourned in transgender groups throughout the United States, because even though he decided to detransition, he was still embraced both as Mike and as Christine.  He is also being eulogized in the Daily Titan,the journal of California State University, Fullerton; acknowledging him as a brilliant writer and alumnus of that school.  He (as Mike) and she (as Christine) will be sorely missed by many who regard Mike/Christine as their own.

Jay Leno has long been criticized for cruel jesting against transpeople, especially in 2001 when he was on the cutting edge of ridicule against transition benefits offered by the City and County of San Francisco.  The San Francisco program proved to be successful, with a rise of little more than $2 in premiums, and which turned out to be profitable for the insurer as well as beneficial for transitioning employees.  Fears of the system being overrun with transition claims have been proven wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Christine Daniels went back to using the name Mike Penner earlier this year and did not have surgery.  He detransitioned quitely, apparently having decided that life as a female was not right for him.  Some transpeople do make a move in the direction of transition but then decide against it, and possibly take up the issue again later on.  If one decides against transition, it&#8217;s best to do so before taking the final step of surgery.  Was this an issue of his suicide, if indeed it is confirmed that it was suicide at all?  I doubt we will ever know.  But suicide is high in this demographic with estimates in the adult population as high as 30% who attempt it and 50% among known youth.  </p>
<p>Mike Penner/Christine Daniels is being mourned in transgender groups throughout the United States, because even though he decided to detransition, he was still embraced both as Mike and as Christine.  He is also being eulogized in the Daily Titan,the journal of California State University, Fullerton; acknowledging him as a brilliant writer and alumnus of that school.  He (as Mike) and she (as Christine) will be sorely missed by many who regard Mike/Christine as their own.</p>
<p>Jay Leno has long been criticized for cruel jesting against transpeople, especially in 2001 when he was on the cutting edge of ridicule against transition benefits offered by the City and County of San Francisco.  The San Francisco program proved to be successful, with a rise of little more than $2 in premiums, and which turned out to be profitable for the insurer as well as beneficial for transitioning employees.  Fears of the system being overrun with transition claims have been proven wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: D Koski</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Koski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, was going to call out the improper pronoun usage.  Now what I am not sure of was Christine/Mike post operative?  The going back very well may have been due to frustration of so many not getting it right.  And yes they do understand that if you knew them for forty years prior you may still call them by their old gender name.  Unfortunately, the suicide rate for this group is way too high, but ask yourselves, would you go through telling people your were transsexual if it were just a lark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, was going to call out the improper pronoun usage.  Now what I am not sure of was Christine/Mike post operative?  The going back very well may have been due to frustration of so many not getting it right.  And yes they do understand that if you knew them for forty years prior you may still call them by their old gender name.  Unfortunately, the suicide rate for this group is way too high, but ask yourselves, would you go through telling people your were transsexual if it were just a lark?</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenden, you should just STFU. If you hadnt already noticed someone else informed me of that. And the original article on the Advocate did not say he had gone back to Male. So get off your little ego trip and go jump in a lake k?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenden, you should just STFU. If you hadnt already noticed someone else informed me of that. And the original article on the Advocate did not say he had gone back to Male. So get off your little ego trip and go jump in a lake k?</p>
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		<title>By: Phillis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he could probably take the Jay Leno jokes.  But, the attitudes taken byh and articles written by former friends, sports journalists such as Paul Oberjuerge (http://lang.sbsun.com/blogs/inthiscorner/2007/07/christine-daniels-makes-galaxy.html) are probably what doomed him.

Below is part of what Paul Oberjuerge wrote in 07.

&quot;I hate to be judgmental about these things, but Christine is not an attractive woman. Which probably isn&#039;t a surprise when you&#039;re 50 and have spent your in-the-world life as a fairly drab guy. Who has a fairly prominent Adam&#039;s apple (not all of us do) ... Who also isn&#039;t exactly petite. Maybe 6-1, 200?

So ... she looks like a guy in a dress, pretty much. Except anyone paying any attention isn&#039;t going to be fooled -- as some people are by veteran transvestites.

Another guy in the business was sitting near me when &quot;Chris&quot; wobbled by on her mid-size heels, and she demurely said hello to this other guy, who is about the same age as the two of us. And this guy said, &quot;Hey, Mike ... uh, Christine.&quot; He was embarrassed because he wanted to get it right, but he didn&#039;t. Christine said something like, &quot;Some habits are hard to break.&quot; She was kind about it.

The thing is, and maybe this is cruel, but there were women in that room who were born women in body as well as soul. And the difference between them and Christine was, in my mind, fairly stark. 

It seemed almost as we&#039;re all going along with someone&#039;s dress-up role playing &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he could probably take the Jay Leno jokes.  But, the attitudes taken byh and articles written by former friends, sports journalists such as Paul Oberjuerge (<a href="http://lang.sbsun.com/blogs/inthiscorner/2007/07/christine-daniels-makes-galaxy.html" rel="nofollow">http://lang.sbsun.com/blogs/inthiscorner/2007/07/christine-daniels-makes-galaxy.html</a>) are probably what doomed him.</p>
<p>Below is part of what Paul Oberjuerge wrote in 07.</p>
<p>&#8220;I hate to be judgmental about these things, but Christine is not an attractive woman. Which probably isn&#8217;t a surprise when you&#8217;re 50 and have spent your in-the-world life as a fairly drab guy. Who has a fairly prominent Adam&#8217;s apple (not all of us do) &#8230; Who also isn&#8217;t exactly petite. Maybe 6-1, 200?</p>
<p>So &#8230; she looks like a guy in a dress, pretty much. Except anyone paying any attention isn&#8217;t going to be fooled &#8212; as some people are by veteran transvestites.</p>
<p>Another guy in the business was sitting near me when &#8220;Chris&#8221; wobbled by on her mid-size heels, and she demurely said hello to this other guy, who is about the same age as the two of us. And this guy said, &#8220;Hey, Mike &#8230; uh, Christine.&#8221; He was embarrassed because he wanted to get it right, but he didn&#8217;t. Christine said something like, &#8220;Some habits are hard to break.&#8221; She was kind about it.</p>
<p>The thing is, and maybe this is cruel, but there were women in that room who were born women in body as well as soul. And the difference between them and Christine was, in my mind, fairly stark. </p>
<p>It seemed almost as we&#8217;re all going along with someone&#8217;s dress-up role playing &#8220;</p>
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